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posted by: userfriendly (reply) post date: 04.30.08 (8:53 am) you only really covered the financial aspect here, let's not forget how much healthier a television-less, walking more, etc lifestyle is. posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 04.30.08 (9:33 am) Reply to: userfriendly An excellent point, Nate. Of course, we're talking about a lazy, convenience-based society in the first place. I figure... talk to their wallets and the contentment they reap from the implemented changes just might make them realize their on a better path, one filled with autonomy, satisfaction and health, both mental and physical.. but then... who are we kidding? Will anyone really get the message? Forgive my cynicism. :/ posted by: rizi (reply) post date: 05.02.08 (2:32 am) Hey Lindy, Hope you and your family are doing good. I have to admit that I am a more passive observer of what is happening with US economy. While I am interested because my job-offers depend on how good US market grow, I am not directly impacted by it and hence I don't care. Anyway, from where I see, your post seems totally logical but believe me, I would consider it an extreme if I was suggested to me. Its the way things are around us - we are grown to consider a lot of our own self-created luxury a necessity. You are correct in pointing out that most of these harms come from exposure to the media which is mostly commercialized to exploit us. I remember that you wouldn't have a television at home nor expose your kids to television at school - do you still do it now? No matter what - I have to admit that you are very different from most people I see and what I am myself. Have a great day posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 05.02.08 (6:08 am) Reply to: rizi Ah, Rizi, funny... I see you in a similar light; very different from most people. But then, we'd need to bring cultural differences into the mix to get a truer reading, I suppose. Yes, I'm still quite strong about minimizing television programming in my life and that of my kids. Good memory on you. I do own a television, but it gets used for occasional movies or old reruns from a period when programming wasn't nearly as fast paced as it is today. I don't have cable television and I'm glad for it. I can't regurgitate commercials in casual conversation and though that puts me on the outside a lot, I'm okay with what I'm on the outside of (dangling preposition noted). It's true that my views are considered extreme by many people around here. But you could also say the benefits I receive from it, such as being quite grounded in life (relatively free of the pop culture and consumption shackles that bind most of us), are extreme compared to most of the people who have no idea what it's like to apply critical thinking, to think for themselves and to choose a path based on what is best for them, as opposed to what others think is best for them or what they are led to believe is best for them by Guerrilla marketing tactics. I think also, you are in a different point in life than I am.. surly, we must take that into account, yes? When I was in my early 20s, I was more interested in what others thought of my hair than what my hair care products were doing to the environment. :) 'No matter what - I have to admit that you are very different from most people I see and what I am myself.' I'm going to take that as a compliment, Rizi. ;) And I maintain that the same applies to you. I hope your day is a good one as well. posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 05.02.08 (6:11 am) Reply to: rizi One more thing... I wasn't implying that you are more concerned about your hair than what your hair care products are doing to the environment. My clumsy point is that I think our personal 'world' is relatively small when we are young and that as we get older, it gets bigger. posted by: rizi (reply) post date: 05.03.08 (10:37 am) Reply to: Lindy I did mention that as a compliment and thanks for considering me "different from most people" as well. Its true that there is a huge cultural difference between both of us but I still feel that you are quite different in your thought process than any other american I have known (and I have to admit the numbers are very less). Its true whatever you tried to explain with the hair care analogy. I do accept that I care much about myself than what I think about the way I affect everything around me. The difference between you and me is that I do not envisage growing to be as concerned as you are. I don't know how to explain why I won't - perhaps I am selfish, mostly I am lazy. I am not a huge television fanatic but I do watch them and quite obviously influenced by many things that could have been left alone. I still haven't found my inner voice to raise its own concerns against all this - not sure if it ever will. There, that's how weak I really am. I guess I will grow to be a more mature person but its just guessing and hoping that I do at the moment - and thats not good. There - I have defined my whole life in front of a complete stranger without being asked for it. Its times like these that I really start to wonder if I need to take a break from all things that I love at the moment and lead a sage's life for a year. Its a rage here in India you know :) posted by: Lindy (reply) post date: 05.07.08 (8:49 am) Reply to: rizi Hahahaa! I love it. You would make a very interesting sage. I think it's difficult to predict how you will feel when you are older; what your actions and thoughts might lean toward, so you may be selling yourself short, Rizi. Experience molds us... having children, relationships, exposure to circumstances we can't fathom happening in the here and now, etc. The ability of critical thinking goes a long way and is sadly lacking in a lot of young people today, so I say with confidence that as you grow, your scope may likely widen, even if you continue to be lazy! ;) posted by: Thelielekly (reply) post date: 05.16.08 (12:43 pm) Hello my friends :) ;) posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 05.16.08 (1:24 pm) Reply to: Thelielikly Hi. posted by: mattblack (reply) post date: 05.20.08 (5:33 pm) Sorry I haven't checked in here for a while...I've developed a serious aversion to tBlog, I guess. ;) I'm with you on almost everything you say, Lindy...with the exception of Internet connectivity. That, I think, rises almost to the level of a necessity in the 21st Century. I say "almost" because of course vast numbers of people can, and do, live without the Net...but I wouldn't *choose* to any more than I'd choose not to read books. Just a little side note: we do have a TV, which we use mostly for watching DVDs and the occasional exceptionally good TV show. But when it's not in use, it's completely covered by a fringed black-and-tan paisley shawl so it's not a visible presence in our daily life. posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 05.20.08 (5:47 pm) Reply to: mattblack I hear you, mb. I tend to come across harshly, I know. I'm not aiming a message at everyone. Only the people who truly believe that their television programs are a necessity. People really do believe that. I like your shawl idea. We've been trying to come up with a way to obscure the tv too. Do you think tossing it in the trash would be too extreme? Heh. No worries on being averse to tblog. Ironically, I happen to own averse 'dot' tblog 'dot' com. *grin* I turned it into a photo stop for my old high school friends. :) posted by: userfriendly (reply) post date: 05.30.08 (6:08 am) what about building a cabinet for the tv, the way they used to be half a century ago.. when you're not using it you just close the doors and it's out of sight, and you have a nifty thing to put crap on! :) posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 06.02.08 (12:17 pm) Reply to: userfriendly HAHAHA, good one, Nate. Only problem is, who actually turns off their tv anymore? AND - without a button on the remote control, it probably won't get done.. too much trouble to get up off the couch and actually close the doors... Now that tvs have gotten so thin, it might be easy to just draw a curtain in front of it - of course, that would need a remote control option as well... *snicker* posted by: userfriendly (reply) post date: 06.02.08 (2:09 pm) hey wait i wasn't kidding.. if i had the extra money for some decent wood and trim and what not, and the tools, i'd do it for my own tv. then i wouldnt have to dust it off everytime i want to use it.. :) oh and.. i threw the remote away when the batteries died years ago ;) posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 06.03.08 (4:42 pm) Reply to: userfriendly *snicker* Well, we already know you aren't the usual kind of guy, don't we. You actually can get up, cross a room and generate some kind of activity without it being some monumental feat. ;) So.. get to cutting.. and take pictures. :) posted by: akelso (reply) post date: 06.10.08 (2:24 pm) Whoa Lindy, you go girl! It's just that those things I already do and those things that I've not yet done, keep screaming back 'n forth across the aisle. How are you, other than that? I'm fine, and actually doing *really* quite well. Thinking I'm actually as "back" as I'm gonna get - I'll take it! - Andrea posted by: lindy (reply) post date: 06.10.08 (2:35 pm) Reply to: akelso Andrrea! My grief, it's good to 'see' you! I know.. it's always a push and pull kind of relationship in terms of necessity vs convenience. As long as you are paying attention and doing SOMETHING then that's a great start, or even a great stride. Mind you, the message doesn't get through to the ones who need it most, eh. I'm thrilled to hear that you're doing so well. I keep you in my thoughts. :) |
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